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How to bootstrap setuptools from source Β· Issue #980 Β· pypa/setuptools
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Hi, I'm a developer for the Spack package manager. We've had a setuptools package that has worked fine for a while now, and the vast majority of our Python packages depend on it. However, I...
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  • @jaraco: how do the plans for setuptools affect efforts by OS distro folks to create reproducible builds (podcast) of packages?
  • AKA frown upon ye who pip install setuptools?
  • Already have an account?
  • Can you use pip to install the dependencies from wheels (which don't require setuptools to install)?
  • Do you happen to know if there is a "safe" way of configuring pip to not install / touch anything underneath the site-packages directory?
  • If you need a java compiler to build a java compiler, how do you install the first java compiler?
  • Is there a reason your package manager can't have pre-built versions of these packages available or vendor them itself (into the setuptools build recipe)?
  • Is there a reason your package manager can't have pre-built versions of these packages available or vendor them itself (into the setuptools build recipe)?
  • Is this correct, or should pip be used to install setuptools as the preferred approach on systems that have it available in both their native package manager and they received pip out of the box?
  • Is this correct?
  • Or can your package manager install the wheels?
  • Unfortunately, a package manager that requires another package manager kind of defeats the purpose, don't you think?
  • Toml for setuptools?
  • Toml is the thing spack should ultimately be checking for setuptools?

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      articleBody:Hi, I'm a developer for the [Spack](https://spack.io/) package manager. We've had a [setuptools package](https://github.com/LLNL/spack/blob/develop/var/spack/repos/builtin/packages/py-setuptools/package.py) that has worked fine for a while now, and the vast majority of our Python packages depend on it. However, I went to update to the latest version of `setuptools` and noticed that it now depends on `six`, `packaging`, and `appdirs`. Unfortunately all 3 of these packages also depend on `setuptools`. `six` and `packaging` can fall back on `distutils.core` if necessary, but the `setup.py` for `appdirs` has a hard `setuptools` import. It seems to me like it is no longer possible to build setuptools from source. Is this correct??
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